UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE REFORM BILL 3200
I thought perhaps someone should start a conversation about the new Health Care Reform that is trying to be passed. I am standing here in the middle of a new discussion and not sure if you all want to hear of know that a 10,000 lb gorilla is typing this subject. LOL
I am not sure if you all want to speak about it. I personally have done some digging into the Bill and frankly it is scary. If passed it will take a few yrs approx 4 to get all the computers talking to one another in every state,& city in the United States.
Before I go any further I want to know if you who are on this particular dystonia site know what is going to happen if this thing passes. Our health care as we know it will not be as we know it today.
The more I look into this the more worried and anxiety has started to set in worse than usual. Our coverage will be not what you are hearing on abc,nbc. The news from these stations owe O'Bama.
I wrote a letter recently see below...Also some pages of the Bill so you can get started and get the word out
We Must Fight & Say "NO"
Hi Everyone,
All of us have been bombarded by the news media with comments on what's happening in Washington, DC with respect to Universal Health Care and, it seems that no one appears to know all of what's included in the bill. It has over 1,000 pages and that does take a long time to read...if it's read at all.
Yet, some things are starting to creep out and they are somewhat scary to say the least. Now we know that it may not pass at all or just some of it will pass in a condensed version, but we do know of some of the provisions of it at this point.
Just some of the "buried" items of interest which may appear in the final bill: The 1)Government will advise the doctors on how much money they can make. How many doctors will pull the "plug" and do something else when they are told that?
2) Health care will definitely be rationed. Would you, in all honesty want that? Some people are saying this bill should be entitled, " Bye Bye Grandma".
3) Government mandates will be created for people on Medicare to "discuss" end of life choices for them and these mandates will be gone over every 5 years.
4) The government will become very active in your life – not you anymore.
This is just a taste of some of this bill. We will be a socialist land with a beau crate telling us what procedure we can have or not have. We will not have choice as we know it. Many Dr visits will take along time to get scheduled if at all they get scheduled. Our elderly parents will die before we can get them in the hospital.The Dr’s will be mandated what they can do and not do. O'Bama is saying we can keep our existing plan but that is a lie.
I myself feel very sad that we have come to this. People where promised “Change” and here it is.
President O’Bama personal health care plan will not change or anyone that serves in the White House now or in the past. They are safe.
Please find out who your Congressman & Federal Representatives. Find out who represents you and your choices. We as a community can stop this. Say NO to this Universal Health Plan. Write Letters to there offices...Make your voice heard. They will be taking a recess in August. If you know where he or she lives write them.
Call there offices and make your voice heard.
Next I beg you to become more involved by watching the news. FOX gives you fair and balanced news. Other broadcasters are not promoting the entire truth. They worship O'Bama.
Pass this letter to all who need to read it that may not realize what is going on. We are about to get our freedoms taken from us. I don't know about you, but I do not want Washington beaurcrates pulling the plug on my Mother, Father, sisters, brothers, cousins, friends or myself without my family making that decision if it needs to be done.
Sincerely,
Eileen Donahue
PS My reach is very small so please pass this on. Write me back if you would like. I am always not far from my computer.
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Health Card will be issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to you banks accounts for electronic funds transfer
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Govt control.
PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private health care plans in the Exchange
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!
PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic appropropriate services. Example - Translation For illegal aliens
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Benefit Levels for Plans. #AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed
PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice
pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monopoly
pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST automatically enroll employees into pubic option plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for health care for part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll of 400k & above who does not provide public option. pays 8% tax on all payroll
pg 150 Lines 9-13 Business payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable health care according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc
ome
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NON-RESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay for their health care)
Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of health care Administration (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal records
PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same
PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, professional judgment, etc. Literally value of humans.
PG 265 Sec 1131 Govt mandates & controls productivity for private health care industries
PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs
PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions.
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission- Govt will penalize you.
Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. Health care the way they want. Rationing
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv. Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of special needs people!
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committee. Can you say health care by phone?
PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death
PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates
PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life
Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?
Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?
PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage
Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services
I am not sure if you all want to speak about it. I personally have done some digging into the Bill and frankly it is scary. If passed it will take a few yrs approx 4 to get all the computers talking to one another in every state,& city in the United States.
Before I go any further I want to know if you who are on this particular dystonia site know what is going to happen if this thing passes. Our health care as we know it will not be as we know it today.
The more I look into this the more worried and anxiety has started to set in worse than usual. Our coverage will be not what you are hearing on abc,nbc. The news from these stations owe O'Bama.
I wrote a letter recently see below...Also some pages of the Bill so you can get started and get the word out
We Must Fight & Say "NO"
Hi Everyone,
All of us have been bombarded by the news media with comments on what's happening in Washington, DC with respect to Universal Health Care and, it seems that no one appears to know all of what's included in the bill. It has over 1,000 pages and that does take a long time to read...if it's read at all.
Yet, some things are starting to creep out and they are somewhat scary to say the least. Now we know that it may not pass at all or just some of it will pass in a condensed version, but we do know of some of the provisions of it at this point.
Just some of the "buried" items of interest which may appear in the final bill: The 1)Government will advise the doctors on how much money they can make. How many doctors will pull the "plug" and do something else when they are told that?
2) Health care will definitely be rationed. Would you, in all honesty want that? Some people are saying this bill should be entitled, " Bye Bye Grandma".
3) Government mandates will be created for people on Medicare to "discuss" end of life choices for them and these mandates will be gone over every 5 years.
4) The government will become very active in your life – not you anymore.
This is just a taste of some of this bill. We will be a socialist land with a beau crate telling us what procedure we can have or not have. We will not have choice as we know it. Many Dr visits will take along time to get scheduled if at all they get scheduled. Our elderly parents will die before we can get them in the hospital.The Dr’s will be mandated what they can do and not do. O'Bama is saying we can keep our existing plan but that is a lie.
I myself feel very sad that we have come to this. People where promised “Change” and here it is.
President O’Bama personal health care plan will not change or anyone that serves in the White House now or in the past. They are safe.
Please find out who your Congressman & Federal Representatives. Find out who represents you and your choices. We as a community can stop this. Say NO to this Universal Health Plan. Write Letters to there offices...Make your voice heard. They will be taking a recess in August. If you know where he or she lives write them.
Call there offices and make your voice heard.
Next I beg you to become more involved by watching the news. FOX gives you fair and balanced news. Other broadcasters are not promoting the entire truth. They worship O'Bama.
Pass this letter to all who need to read it that may not realize what is going on. We are about to get our freedoms taken from us. I don't know about you, but I do not want Washington beaurcrates pulling the plug on my Mother, Father, sisters, brothers, cousins, friends or myself without my family making that decision if it needs to be done.
Sincerely,
Eileen Donahue
PS My reach is very small so please pass this on. Write me back if you would like. I am always not far from my computer.
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Health Card will be issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to you banks accounts for electronic funds transfer
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Govt control.
PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private health care plans in the Exchange
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration your Healthcare!
PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic appropropriate services. Example - Translation For illegal aliens
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Benefit Levels for Plans. #AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed
PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice
pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monopoly
pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST automatically enroll employees into pubic option plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for health care for part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll of 400k & above who does not provide public option. pays 8% tax on all payroll
pg 150 Lines 9-13 Business payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn't provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable health care according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc
ome
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NON-RESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay for their health care)
Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of health care Administration (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal records
PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same
PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, professional judgment, etc. Literally value of humans.
PG 265 Sec 1131 Govt mandates & controls productivity for private health care industries
PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs
PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems preventable readmissions.
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission- Govt will penalize you.
Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. Health care the way they want. Rationing
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv. Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of special needs people!
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committee. Can you say health care by phone?
PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death
PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program for orders for end of life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates
PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life
Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?
Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?
PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage
Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services
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Permalink Reply by beka on -
Hello Lene - Now that I have seen the Obama speech , what are your thoughts now about healthcare reform ?
beka
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Permalink Reply by Lene on -
hi Beka,
I am pensive at this point to comment. My dystonia acts up real badly when I know he is speaking. He made me ill tonight because he is not speaking the truth on many subjects.
I will give my opinion when I am not so upset ok? Lene
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Permalink Reply by beka on
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Understood Lene-
First of all, as a practicing healthcare worker, there is no doubt that somesort of healthcare reform will pass regardless if speeches make you ill. What made me even more ill was the response of the republican "YOU LIE " during the speech.. Civility is a must as well as is educating yourself about the exact bill. You will not loose your doctor , choice, will provide portability, accessibility, prevention of high malpractice suits.. unneccessary tests.. etc..
Still thinking about the impact that is coming...
The way the US system is now- will not last during our lifetimes.. now which would be worse ??
beka
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Permalink Reply by Thorns on -
Just got back from Myrtle Beach and I cannot believe how afraid some American's are of universal health care and some of the advertisements are really out there and who do people think are paying for all these ad's it's the lobby groups for the insurance industry. They are useing millions of peoples money to put fear into people's heads and there is no out cry about this but there is for universal care for every American from the smallest child to the oldest adult to the sickest to the healthest. We all need care at some point in are lives and by the sounds of it, the one the US has now it is not working, I know you have seen the few who are not happy with our care either but I wonder how they would truly feel if they woke up tomorrow without it, it's always easy to complain about something you've always taken for granted. Thorns
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